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**kushmasterzero** · 09-08-2007, 10:14 PM

Hi Everyone. I recently had a endocrinology report done, which test my blood for the different hormone levels and such. The results came back, and I would like to know what to implement, to get my number nice and strong again. Currently im not taking any injectable, just oral supplements, nothing serious.

Testosterone Total= 706 ng/dl
good range: 241-827 ng/dl

Testosterone Free=1.49 ng/dl
good range: .056- 2.7 ng/dl
=percent free= 0.21%
good range: .1 - .27%

Follicle Stimulating Hormone= 2.3mIU/ml
good range: 1.4- 18.1 mIU/ml

Leutenizing Hormone= 2.9 mIU/ml
good range: 1.5- 9.3 mIU/ml

Prolactin: 4.4 ng/ml
good range: 2.1- 17.7 ng/ml

So after I reviewed it, I noticed my leutenizing hormone level was a bit on the low side. It even had a note on the side, mentioning it was on the low side. Same goes for follicle stimulating hormone, but no note was on that one.

Now if my thinking is correct, after some reading here, than its seems HCG would seem perfect to raise leutenizing hormone levels. If my common sense is correct, follicle hormone is probably DHT, right? So what do i need to raise this follicle level?

I really analyzed this, I hope you guys do as well.
Thanks!

**Seraphil** · 09-08-2007, 10:16 PM

Why would you want DHT levels to rise anyway? You in a rush to go bald?

**kushmasterzero** · 09-08-2007, 11:00 PM

perhaps im un-educated on what follicle stimulating hormone is or does.

regardless, id like to know how to increase both to high levels.

from the searches on boards so far, i see the following being mentioned quite a bit: hcg, clomid, and nolva. i dont know much beyond this, and always like to hear from personal experience.

**Zachattack43** · 09-08-2007, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by kushmasterzero

perhaps im un-educated on what follicle stimulating hormone is or does.

regardless, id like to know how to increase both to high levels.

from the searches on boards so far, i see the following being mentioned quite a bit: hcg, clomid, and nolva. i dont know much beyond this, and always like to hear from personal experience.

personally I would talk to your doctor about this not ask these folks who do not have a background in medical science

**DRP7** · 09-08-2007, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by kushmasterzero

Hi Everyone. I recently had a endocrinology report done, which test my blood for the different hormone levels and such. The results came back, and I would like to know what to implement, to get my number nice and strong again. Currently im not taking any injectable, just oral supplements, nothing serious.

Testosterone Total= 706 ng/dl
good range: 241-827 ng/dl

Testosterone Free=1.49 ng/dl
good range: .056- 2.7 ng/dl
=percent free= 0.21%
good range: .1 - .27%

Follicle Stimulating Hormone= 2.3mIU/ml
good range: 1.4- 18.1 mIU/ml

Leutenizing Hormone= 2.9 mIU/ml
good range: 1.5- 9.3 mIU/ml

Prolactin: 4.4 ng/ml
good range: 2.1- 17.7 ng/ml

So after I reviewed it, I noticed my leutenizing hormone level was a bit on the low side. It even had a note on the side, mentioning it was on the low side. Same goes for follicle stimulating hormone, but no note was on that one.

Now if my thinking is correct, after some reading here, than its seems HCG would seem perfect to raise leutenizing hormone levels. If my common sense is correct, follicle hormone is probably DHT, right? So what do i need to raise this follicle level?

I really analyzed this, I hope you guys do as well.
Thanks!

1. have you done an AAS cycle recently?
2. what do you mean when you say you are currently using no injectables but only oral supplements? does this include oral PHs / designer steroids?
3. your free and total test are absolutely normal as are your LH and FSH. if your libido is O.K. there is no need to manipulate any of those parameters.
4. no, FSH is NOT DHT. DHT is a metabolite of testosterone that has a higher androgenicity and can cause prostate enlargement, acne and baldness at higher levels (in people prone to such conditions).

**DRP7** · 09-08-2007, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by zachattack43

personally I would talk to your doctor about this not ask these folks who do not have a background in medical science

there is no disadvantage from asking both, the doc AND the good bro's

**Zachattack43** · 09-08-2007, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.P

there is no disadvantage from asking both, the doc AND the good bro's

just a slight disadvantage, might take the wrong advice

**DRP7** · 09-08-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by kushmasterzero

perhaps im un-educated on what follicle stimulating hormone is or does.

regardless, id like to know how to increase both to high levels.

from the searches on boards so far, i see the following being mentioned quite a bit: hcg, clomid, and nolva. i dont know much beyond this, and always like to hear from personal experience.

you need to understand that "high levels" will not necessarily be advantageous for you.
there are people with "low" levels who have nonetheless excellent sex drive, exemplary erections and very good muscle gains.

it depends on your androgen receptors - their number, density and other downstream factors how much response to a certain level of androgens will happen.

so, if you don't have any signs / symptoms of low androgens (apathy, tiredness, fatigue, no progress in the gym, high bodyfat percentage, low strength and low muslce mass, erectile dysfunction, low sex drive), then there is no necessity to further push LH/FSH/test.

by no means would I recommend any of the substances you mentioned above (this would be like shooting with cannons on sparrows.

however, there are pretty harmless test boosters around that you could try. the company reps will surely not wait too long before chimiing in and recommending their products.

**mingkou** · 09-08-2007, 11:49 PM

Short answer: nothing is needed.

Long answer: Nothing is needed, and supps may not be helpful. Here is why. What these really are are confidence intervals. They are saying that somewhere between x and y is a good range based on mortality stats or something along these lines. You are in the good range for everthing as I see. You might be at the best spot too, it's not possible to tell. Look at the first indicator, testosterone at 706. Based on a large sample of men, we know that those in the range of 241-827 are good. We don't know what the real magic number is within that range. It could be 706. It could be 400. What we do know is that those below 241 and those above 827 have shown risk or problems. Because we don't know a magic number, we base it on intervals such as these.

Now let's say you take a supp to bump up tesosterone to 825. What if that drops your folicle stim hormone to 1.0 3 months later? You've gotten worse. But there's more. These are intervals because we don't know what all conributes to an optimal testosterone level. The more we know, the smaller the interval will get (usually). Let's say the real magic number is 725 and you bump up to 750....any better off? No.

**kushmasterzero** · 09-09-2007, 01:11 AM

Ok to answer a couple things, that i left unclear...

As far as supplements, i mean all im taking is daily vitamins basically. And if that, so, you can count me as taking "nothing".

dr. p. i appreciate you covering all aspects of what hormones could do. I was questioning this in the first place, because of my slow recovery, muscle strength, and mainly low libido/ e.d.

When I read about hcg it seems one of its uses it after a cycle of serious steroids to get the testicles to normal production again.

I dont want to get into something if it will mess up my practically normal levels, but both follicle and leutenizing are low which should be a bit higher, at least for my age. Which i forgot to mention is 22.

**coofoostu** · 09-09-2007, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by kushmasterzero

Ok to answer a couple things, that i left unclear...

As far as supplements, i mean all im taking is daily vitamins basically. And if that, so, you can count me as taking "nothing".

dr. p. i appreciate you covering all aspects of what hormones could do. I was questioning this in the first place, because of my slow recovery, muscle strength, and mainly low libido/ e.d.

When I read about hcg it seems one of its uses it after a cycle of serious steroids to get the testicles to normal production again.

I dont want to get into something if it will mess up my practically normal levels, but both follicle and leutenizing are low which should be a bit higher, at least for my age. Which i forgot to mention is 22.

It doesnt matter if your LH level is low, LH is the hormone that tells your testicles to produce testosterone. Your T levels are normal, so you dont need to worry about it. LH and FSH released in a more pulsatile manner than testosterone is in terms of circulating in the blood, so your leves reflect what was in your blood at the time of the blood test.

Your levels look good to me. Keep in mind low sex drive can often be due to mental issues.

**uhockey** · 09-09-2007, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dr.P

1. have you done an AAS cycle recently?
2. what do you mean when you say you are currently using no injectables but only oral supplements? does this include oral PHs / designer steroids?
3. your free and total test are absolutely normal as are your LH and FSH. if your libido is O.K. there is no need to manipulate any of those parameters.
4. no, FSH is NOT DHT. DHT is a metabolite of testosterone that has a higher androgenicity and can cause prostate enlargement, acne and baldness at higher levels (in people prone to such conditions).

Considering the norm/high levels of test and free test (I'd need to see an estrogen level) I'd say that the LH/FSH (already normal) are exactly where I'd expect.

People make WAY too big a deal out of "normal" values.

**theguvner** · 09-09-2007, 04:37 AM

OP I would say there is a few guys on this board that wished their hormones were as normal as yours =)

BTW some Activate Xtreme wouldn't hurt for the libido, mine has gone through the roof the last few days

**uhockey** · 09-09-2007, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by theguvner

OP I would say there is a few guys on this board that wished their hormones were as normal as yours =)

BTW some Activate Xtreme wouldn't hurt for the libido, mine has gone through the roof the last few days

Considering his overall healthy hormonal profile, I'd like to know what supps he is already on, and overall health (fasting blood sugar, cholesterol, electrolytes) before suggesting ActivaTe Xtreme. If, however, all those things are good, then yeah, ActXtreme has a pretty nice effect on libido.

**Dimitar** · 09-09-2007, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by coofoostu

It doesnt matter if your LH level is low, LH is the hormone that tells your testicles to produce testosterone. Your T levels are normal, so you dont need to worry about it. LH and FSH released in a more pulsatile manner than testosterone is in terms of circulating in the blood, so your leves reflect what was in your blood at the time of the blood test.

Your levels look good to me. Keep in mind low sex drive can often be due to mental issues.

Great post.

Additionally, since he is so young, the testicles are sensitive to LH and very little is needed to elicit those amounts of test. Older folks often have high LH but low test because of desensitizing that comes with age.

Speaking of libido, you need to check your E2 levels as well. However, you need to get the male ultrasensitive assay that produces a value and not a range, say < 30, which is worthless for men.

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