critique of testosterone conventions - Forum

critique of testosterone conventions - Forum

06-09-2012, 10:28 PM

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Petrovsk Mizinski Status: Здравствуйте Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: St Petersburg, Russian Federation Posts: 859

Quote: Originally Posted by millenniumman75 I think you are putting way too muxch into this number. You can produce testosterone and are in the normal range. Would you really want to overproduce? It is unlikely for a male to have have testosterone levels high enough to cause any detrimental long term effects without the use of exogenous steroids. Have high levels of testosterone (at least, what the body will allow by endogenous means anyway) can only be a good thing for long term health. Quote: Originally Posted by nemesis1 Try taking Tribulus, its a natural testosterone booster. My sex drive went through the roof while i was on it. Quote: Originally Posted by Rufus I've tried tribulus, but I don't recommend it. I think it produces too much of the negative type of testosterone. The kind that makes you more angry and irritable. 25 mg a day of DHEA can do wonders, but I am concerned about the long term effects even on that moderate dose. Do you lift weights? I think squats are the safest and healthiest method of boosting testosterone quickly. I make sure to do squats regularly. It's something you notice immediately after you do them. Regular weightlifting in general will have a big impact on your testosterone level. Tribulus is completely bunk for increasing testosterone levels. The increase in libido and aggression may be explained by increased androgen receptor activity and expression. And come on now, it's 2012, the "Do compound lifts for testosterone boost!" myth is still going, really? Hormonal changes need to be elevated/depression for longer periods of time to have any real world effect. Doing your 400lb squats in the gym is going to give you a transient increase at best before things return to baseline quite soon after. It's effectively meaningless in terms of body composition and overall hormonal levels. Quote: Originally Posted by NateDEEzy The problem lies in 2 places. First, testosterone drops with age, but the range doesn't take this into consideration. Therefore, an 18 yo can have the testosterone level equal to his great grandpa who has testosterone consistent with others his age, and he's 90 years old. Which in itself is absurd. Second, testosterone is pretty misunderstood in the medical community, which is obvious based on not only your story, which isn't an uncommon story, but also with the treatment regimens most doctors prescribe. There's a reason why most doctors choose to prescribe androgel and testim, (because they give you a tube and don't have to worry about anything), however, as most people who've researched the subject know, injectables are by far the treatment option with best noted results. But I digress, the second point is testosterone is not well understood. And I predict, just as with many other hormone ranges such as thyroid, the ranges considered "normal" will change as it is better understood. Just because it is considered normal and acceptable practice today, doesn't mean it is correct or optimal. Remember, leaches were once common place in that periods "modern medicine", don't ever forget that when a doctor tells you something. If you don't feel normal, odds are it's for a reason. Listen to your body, it is always looking out for your best interest. Additionally, I'd like to quickly share an interesting link to prove that people who believe their problems might be linked to low testosterone, might not actually be crazy. http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/newsc...visonetal.html Very good post. It's absurd that males with quite clearly elevated levels of estrogen and fairly low levels of testosterone (for e.g) can be considered 'normal' and 'within acceptable range' Quote: Originally Posted by ForeverStallone Definitely not normal for your age. My latest result was 9.3 which puts me below range here - 12-32. This was at about 9 am. She's right that it might be slightly higher earlier in the morning and in a fasted state. I got 12 a few months ago at 8am fasted. So not much difference. Here's a link of average levels with age groups http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ne-levels.html Get LH and FSH levels checked too to see if the problem is with your your testes or the brain. And I'd start researching specialists, specifically who deal with TRT, because even most endocrinologists and urologists believe in the BS reference range and won't treat you. I doubt that it is a purely psychological problem when you have levels of a 90+ year old. Quoted and bolded. Estrogen, cortisol, prolactin, LH (luteinizing hormone) and FSH (follicle-stimulating hormone) are all important things to look at too. In many cases as an example. some men may have high total testosterone levels on paper, but that's really not all that good if a significant amount of free test is aromatizing to estrogen

06-09-2012, 10:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Petrovsk Mizinski Status: Здравствуйте Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: St Petersburg, Russian Federation Posts: 859	While I'm here, if you're not supplementing with the following, you should be doing so : Zinc Magnesium Vitamin D Being deficient in one of these three can cause a drop off in test levels. It's no wonder some people that spend a big amount of time indoors begin to suddenly feel better when they start getting sunlight. I tend to only really use Vit D in winter, as I get plenty of sun exposure during the summer, early/mid autumn and spring periods. Vitamin B6 (I recommend the pyridoxal 5 phosphate form) can help to keep prolactin levels in check. Good intake of Dietary cholesterol and saturated fat are also quite important. Please bear in mind dietary cholesterol is not the same thing as serum cholesterol and it's entirely possible to have a relatively high dietary cholesterol intake while maintaining healthy serum levels. I can say, at least anecdotally, that doing all those things made a world of difference for me in energy levels and overall feelings of motivation